Comments on: Newtongate: the final nail in the coffin of Renaissance and Enlightenment ‘thinking’ http://carbonfixated.com/newtongate-the-final-nail-in-the-coffin-of-renaissance-and-enlightenment-thinking/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=newtongate-the-final-nail-in-the-coffin-of-renaissance-and-enlightenment-thinking Photosynthesising in a CO2-enriched world Mon, 06 Feb 2012 04:21:55 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Climate Gate | Debunktion Junction http://carbonfixated.com/newtongate-the-final-nail-in-the-coffin-of-renaissance-and-enlightenment-thinking/comment-page-3/#comment-99880 Climate Gate | Debunktion Junction Thu, 12 Jan 2012 07:48:30 +0000 http://carbonfixated.com/newtongate-the-final-nail-in-the-coffin-of-renaissance-and-enlightenment-thinking/#comment-99880 [...] Newtongate: The Final Nail in the Coffin of Renaissance and Enlightenment Thinking, Carbon Fixated (A detailed examination of Isaac Newton’s private correspondences show that calculus is a lie perpetrated by deceitful “scientists.” [...] [...] Newtongate: The Final Nail in the Coffin of Renaissance and Enlightenment Thinking, Carbon Fixated (A detailed examination of Isaac Newton’s private correspondences show that calculus is a lie perpetrated by deceitful “scientists.” [...]

]]> By: Newtongate: the final nail in the coffin of Renaissance and Enlightenment ‘thinking’ | Green Energy Global - Daily Green Energy News http://carbonfixated.com/newtongate-the-final-nail-in-the-coffin-of-renaissance-and-enlightenment-thinking/comment-page-3/#comment-72269 Newtongate: the final nail in the coffin of Renaissance and Enlightenment ‘thinking’ | Green Energy Global - Daily Green Energy News Fri, 12 Aug 2011 10:53:14 +0000 http://carbonfixated.com/newtongate-the-final-nail-in-the-coffin-of-renaissance-and-enlightenment-thinking/#comment-72269 [...] Fixated has an amusing spoof of the “ClimateGate” scandal – Newtongate: the final nail in the coffin of Renaissance and Enlightenment ‘thinking’. If you own any shares in companies that produce reflecting telescopes, use differential and [...] [...] Fixated has an amusing spoof of the “ClimateGate” scandal – Newtongate: the final nail in the coffin of Renaissance and Enlightenment ‘thinking’. If you own any shares in companies that produce reflecting telescopes, use differential and [...]

]]> By: Carbon Fixated » Blog Archive » Newtongate: the final nail in the coffin of Renaissance and Enlightenment ‘thinking’ « TweetingDonal's dhídean http://carbonfixated.com/newtongate-the-final-nail-in-the-coffin-of-renaissance-and-enlightenment-thinking/comment-page-3/#comment-70314 Carbon Fixated » Blog Archive » Newtongate: the final nail in the coffin of Renaissance and Enlightenment ‘thinking’ « TweetingDonal's dhídean Sat, 30 Jul 2011 16:34:13 +0000 http://carbonfixated.com/newtongate-the-final-nail-in-the-coffin-of-renaissance-and-enlightenment-thinking/#comment-70314 [...] But perhaps the most damaging revelations are those concerning the way these math nerd scientists may variously have manipulated or suppressed evidence to support their cause. via carbonfixated.com [...] [...] But perhaps the most damaging revelations are those concerning the way these math nerd scientists may variously have manipulated or suppressed evidence to support their cause. via carbonfixated.com [...]

]]> By: Newtongate: the final nail in the coffin of Renaissance and Enlightenment ‘thinking’ | Green Energy Panels - How to Save Energy http://carbonfixated.com/newtongate-the-final-nail-in-the-coffin-of-renaissance-and-enlightenment-thinking/comment-page-3/#comment-69176 Newtongate: the final nail in the coffin of Renaissance and Enlightenment ‘thinking’ | Green Energy Panels - How to Save Energy Sat, 23 Jul 2011 15:22:51 +0000 http://carbonfixated.com/newtongate-the-final-nail-in-the-coffin-of-renaissance-and-enlightenment-thinking/#comment-69176 [...] admin Carbon Fixated has an amusing spoof of the “ClimateGate” scandal – Newtongate: the final nail in the coffin of Renaissance and Enlightenment ‘thinking’. If you own any shares in companies that produce reflecting telescopes, use differential and [...] [...] admin Carbon Fixated has an amusing spoof of the “ClimateGate” scandal – Newtongate: the final nail in the coffin of Renaissance and Enlightenment ‘thinking’. If you own any shares in companies that produce reflecting telescopes, use differential and [...]

]]> By: historian http://carbonfixated.com/newtongate-the-final-nail-in-the-coffin-of-renaissance-and-enlightenment-thinking/comment-page-3/#comment-36022 historian Sat, 22 Jan 2011 05:50:56 +0000 http://carbonfixated.com/newtongate-the-final-nail-in-the-coffin-of-renaissance-and-enlightenment-thinking/#comment-36022 Am I the only one laughing? Hats off to the brave drudge of a scholar who unearthed those perfect quotes. Am I the only one laughing? Hats off to the brave drudge of a scholar who unearthed those perfect quotes.

]]> By: Erasmussimo http://carbonfixated.com/newtongate-the-final-nail-in-the-coffin-of-renaissance-and-enlightenment-thinking/comment-page-3/#comment-1250 Erasmussimo Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:01:13 +0000 http://carbonfixated.com/newtongate-the-final-nail-in-the-coffin-of-renaissance-and-enlightenment-thinking/#comment-1250 I am astounded that the deniers attempt to differentiate Newton's laws from climate change science by arguing that "well, what Newton did was real science" whereas what the IPCC does is some kind of pseudoscience. Have any deniers actually read Principia Mathematica (Newton's work on physics)? I have slogged through the entire thing and it is not at all as clear and simple as your high-school physics would have you believe. It is a huge mass of theorems, corollaries, and extensive calculations. He got some of those calculations wrong! (No big surprise -- some of them are very lengthy and he didn't have a calculator.) The theorems are extremely dense and I gave up trying to follow the logic on many of them -- and I hold a master's degree in physics! If you think that you could follow them, try it yourself. It's really tough. The physics you read nowadays enjoys the benefit of centuries of cleaning up, simplification, and different teaching strategies. Sure, it seems clean and simple, but it was nowhere near so clean and simple back then. There were complications and mistakes. I have read both IPCC AR4 and Principia, and I can state flatly that IPCC AR4 is clearer, better argued, and better supported than Principia. I am astounded that the deniers attempt to differentiate Newton’s laws from climate change science by arguing that “well, what Newton did was real science” whereas what the IPCC does is some kind of pseudoscience. Have any deniers actually read Principia Mathematica (Newton’s work on physics)? I have slogged through the entire thing and it is not at all as clear and simple as your high-school physics would have you believe. It is a huge mass of theorems, corollaries, and extensive calculations. He got some of those calculations wrong! (No big surprise — some of them are very lengthy and he didn’t have a calculator.) The theorems are extremely dense and I gave up trying to follow the logic on many of them — and I hold a master’s degree in physics! If you think that you could follow them, try it yourself. It’s really tough.

The physics you read nowadays enjoys the benefit of centuries of cleaning up, simplification, and different teaching strategies. Sure, it seems clean and simple, but it was nowhere near so clean and simple back then. There were complications and mistakes. I have read both IPCC AR4 and Principia, and I can state flatly that IPCC AR4 is clearer, better argued, and better supported than Principia.

]]> By: Reed Coray http://carbonfixated.com/newtongate-the-final-nail-in-the-coffin-of-renaissance-and-enlightenment-thinking/comment-page-3/#comment-848 Reed Coray Tue, 19 Jan 2010 17:11:50 +0000 http://carbonfixated.com/newtongate-the-final-nail-in-the-coffin-of-renaissance-and-enlightenment-thinking/#comment-848 Pop quiz on the above article. [Note returning to the text of the article is considered cheating--or at least data adjusting.] Align the names in column A with the names in Column B A (historical) B (current) Newton Mann Hooke Jones Oldenburg Trenberth Jones Santer Cotes Wigley Jack the Ripper Hansen Leibniz Gore Freebie: Jack the Ripper ...and... Santer. Pop quiz on the above article. [Note returning to the text of the article is considered cheating--or at least data adjusting.]

Align the names in column A with the names in Column B

A (historical) B (current)
Newton Mann
Hooke Jones
Oldenburg Trenberth
Jones Santer
Cotes Wigley
Jack the Ripper Hansen
Leibniz Gore

Freebie: Jack the Ripper …and… Santer.

]]> By: pat http://carbonfixated.com/newtongate-the-final-nail-in-the-coffin-of-renaissance-and-enlightenment-thinking/comment-page-3/#comment-839 pat Mon, 18 Jan 2010 17:45:58 +0000 http://carbonfixated.com/newtongate-the-final-nail-in-the-coffin-of-renaissance-and-enlightenment-thinking/#comment-839 Of course the skeptics play the part of Newton in this spoof. Of course the skeptics play the part of Newton in this spoof.

]]> By: Dan http://carbonfixated.com/newtongate-the-final-nail-in-the-coffin-of-renaissance-and-enlightenment-thinking/comment-page-3/#comment-832 Dan Mon, 18 Jan 2010 11:25:41 +0000 http://carbonfixated.com/newtongate-the-final-nail-in-the-coffin-of-renaissance-and-enlightenment-thinking/#comment-832 A fantastic demonstration of why climategate is so important. As Jack Lacton identifies. The big difference between Newton and CRU is that Newton's laws are scientific (i.e, have been tested and verified objectively), while the AGW argument is untested (or, more to the point, untestable) and is therefore unscientific. The CRU emails would be irrelevant, as Newtons letter are, if CRU were actually able to objectively predict future weather - which, as the MET office demonstrated these last two years, they are not. Without science behind them, CRU are left to defend their views with an appeal to society's goodwill and trust - which given the emails, should be running out fast. An excellent post that has helped me clarify my thinking on this topic. Thanks. Dan A fantastic demonstration of why climategate is so important.

As Jack Lacton identifies. The big difference between Newton and CRU is that Newton’s laws are scientific (i.e, have been tested and verified objectively), while the AGW argument is untested (or, more to the point, untestable) and is therefore unscientific.

The CRU emails would be irrelevant, as Newtons letter are, if CRU were actually able to objectively predict future weather – which, as the MET office demonstrated these last two years, they are not.

Without science behind them, CRU are left to defend their views with an appeal to society’s goodwill and trust – which given the emails, should be running out fast.

An excellent post that has helped me clarify my thinking on this topic. Thanks.

Dan

]]> By: Jack Lacton http://carbonfixated.com/newtongate-the-final-nail-in-the-coffin-of-renaissance-and-enlightenment-thinking/comment-page-3/#comment-829 Jack Lacton Mon, 18 Jan 2010 03:16:42 +0000 http://carbonfixated.com/newtongate-the-final-nail-in-the-coffin-of-renaissance-and-enlightenment-thinking/#comment-829 The author is too obtuse to observe that Newton's laws were tested and verified to be true for hundreds of years whereas the IPCC's projections have been tested and shown to be false, which is exactly what one would expect given the egregious, statistically invalid backfitting that goes on in their models. The author is too obtuse to observe that Newton’s laws were tested and verified to be true for hundreds of years whereas the IPCC’s projections have been tested and shown to be false, which is exactly what one would expect given the egregious, statistically invalid backfitting that goes on in their models.

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